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Post by Steve Moses on Nov 21, 2015 8:26:41 GMT
Hey guys! Congrats on F2! No real surprise at this final two - I completely expected it to turn out this way and good job to you for doing it!
I could basically copy/paste Renny's initial statements as that is exactly how I feel about you both. You are both super nice guys. I have nothing negative to say about you in that regard. I just don't know exactly what either of you did to stand out to me as the winner.
On one hand we have Caleb, comp beast extraordinaire, but I have to agree your social game was not that awesome - at least to me, lol. It was difficult to hold a conversation with you at times, but I guess I can chalk part of that up to us not really being on the same page strategy and ally-wise.
On the other hand we have Nick. I wanted you out from the beginning and I was obviously right about that! But, really it was mainly because we didn't really talk. You were nice when we did talk but you never tried to work with me really. I believe when I left the game (ages ago) it had been almost a month since you even tried to talk to me. That's kinda lame in my opinion, especially from a jury management standpoint. And strategy-wise I don't really know what you did.
So, I am leaning a little more toward one of you right now but my mind can possibly be changed. The obvious question has been asked already by Casey so I won't repeat that.
My question will be more along the lines of what you did know about the game and its players. Please list each juror and tell me their strengths, their weaknesses, their strategies and their threat level. Why did you want to work with each of them...or why didn't you? Please be as specific as you wish as the detail may help me decide. The idea is to try to get an idea of how well you knew your competition.
Good luck guys and thanks to Arisa for all your work in finishing the game out for us! You are appreciated!!
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Post by Nick Uhas on Nov 22, 2015 4:42:43 GMT
Just wanted to let you know I am going to answer this! I'm writing it up and It's getting long and I'm getting a little bit tired, so I might finish it tomorrow and post then. Just wanted to let you know I didn't forget lol.
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Post by Nick Uhas on Nov 22, 2015 18:22:38 GMT
Sorry about the delay!
The feeling was mutual about wanting you out, but I obviously mean that with no ill-will. I just knew you would be a threat and I was right. I did not mean to intentionally ignore you. I already had my ducks in a row and I knew who I wanted to go to the end with and who I didn't. It can be a bit difficult to talk to someone when they are your active target. On top of that, this game was starting to lose a little steam, not a lot of chatter was going on in general. I do apologize though, I could have done better in my communications with you at the end.
Jace (Threat Level: 9/10)
At the start, everyone loved Jace! So much so, he found himself in the middle of the house, with each side wanting him on their team. Luckily for me, he was more on my side. I really felt I could trust Jace with anything. I know some might not feel the same way, but personally playing with him, he was very loyal. Now if you're the other side of the house, you probably don't agree lol but he was from my perspective.
However. he can get a bit emotional, which can make things interesting but it can also paint a target on your back. Also being stuck in the middle - he did anger the other alliance by voting to keep me. Had competitions gone differently, he very well could have paid the price for that.
Before that, he did a good job at balancing the different alliances and when he had to make a choice, he did and stuck with it. Considering he made the final three, he definitely made the right choice. I think he and Britney were similar in a way, but he was able to successfully escape the backlash by coming out on top of it.
Victoria (Threat Level: 7/10)
Victoria was a good ally to have because when you're on her side and you have the same targets as her (which we did for a majority of the game), she is very easy to work with. I loved working with her at the beginning of this game. What she says is what she says and that is very refreshing in a game like this.
Maybe this is because I was aligned with her from the start, but I never really had any problems getting a hold of Victoria, but from others - they said that they did. I remember Jason had said it had been weeks since they'd spoken after he nominated her at the first Fast Forward.
At the start, she had the alliance with Me/Caleb/Brit (although Brit wasn't actually with us, but at the time we didn't know that] and I think she was evicted before we could really see her strategy but I do think had she not been evicted the first time, she could have gone far because she doesn't bullshit. When she returned, the game was kinda on one leg, and there wasn't much game talk going on between anyone, so it's hard to critique her strategy when there was little strategy going on from anyone to begin with.
Renny (Threat Level: 10/10)
Who doesn't love Renny? I mean, come on! She's so much fun to talk to and she's so personable. Even the people who she evicted or was targetng can even say they really like her! and that I think was easily her biggest strength because had she made it to the end (and she was very close to doing so), she could have easily won this game in a blowout vote. At the start, she was playing a great UTR game - strategically nobody was coming after her and she wasn't confined to a big alliance in the beginning (Bad Blood Six excluded lol). For a weakeness, it's hard because she didn't have too many. Maybe it's that she didn't secure herself enough when the numbers were dwindling down. I know she was trying to get Jace out and was weary of Caleb, I think maybe getting Steve out during the FF HOH was probably not the best move because I think he could have been a number for her going into the next round.
Steve (Threat Level: 10/10)
Like I said in my answer to Renny, when I thought of people from the jury who would make good final 2 contenders, you were definitely on my mind. I think you're biggest strength is that you were very loyal and very open about what you wanted to do in the game. Even though we were on opposite sides, there was never any weirdness. You also were not afraid to make big moves. Nominating myself and Caleb during your HOH, was a great move. Saving Jace with the veto was also a risky move but had the FF competitions gone differently, I think it could have worked out in your favor. However, for a weakness, when the house flipped I think you had a hard time with it and you were never really able to regain the numbers to your side, short of winning competitions. You tried to integrate yourself into the other side, but the numbers were already firm but I do give you a hell of a lot of credit for trying.
Casey (Threat Level: 7/10)
Casey's strength was that he was a swing vote for a lot of votes, which he was able to use as a shield. The only time he was ever really brought up as a target was when he and Jace were being paired up -- however, when Britney was pulling for Jace/Casey to go up, I knew that Casey could be someone I could swing and work with, so I was pushing for Kevin to be a target. I think a lot of people saw Casey as someone they could work with. Similar to Renny, I think he could have positioned himself better. When we got to final 7-8, he was on the outs. I know he and Jace were paired throughout the game but I believe Jace was closer to me and I don't think Casey saw that.
Jason (Threat Level: 7/10)
I loved talking to Jason about non-game stuff, but when it came to game talk - I knew I couldn't trust him. I knew he was loyal to his original alliance. Normally I view loyalty as a strength but in this case, I view that as a weakness. I think had he gone all out, I really do believe he could have swayed the votes. When people go back and read my DR, they'll see how much I actually wanted to work with Jason. Even after my failed blindside, I wanted to see where his head was at, maybe something could happen - but I didn't get much from him and it seemed he was still very much with his original alliance. That said, I do think Jason played a strong game. He could win competitions, he was likable, and I think had things gone differently - he could have been a contender to win this game.
Britney (Threat Level: 8/10)
I feel like all my jury answers can be alternatively called The Unauthorized Biography of Britney Haynes. LOL. I've been mentioning her so much but I think that shows how much impact she had on the game. At the start she was playing amazingly, everyone loved her and she found herself aligned with everyone. For a while, she did a good balancing act (I can't imagine the number of different AIM chats she had to endure lol). For a weakness, I think jumping the gun on the Jace/Casey target was her fatal flaw because that is what broke her and Jace apart and allowed me to kinda breakthrough. Also, I think maybe she could have had a contingency plan in place just in case her alliances were exposed, because after that - she didn't really have much to go with after the blindside and only had Jason and Steve on her side.
Angie (Threat Level: 6/10)
Angie was someone I thought was going to go far in this game. Her and I were similar in the sense that we were not seen as a challenge threat. If she was doing that on purpose or not, I do not know but whatever the cause, it is a legit strategy. Because every time she was nominated (bar her eviction), it is what partially kept her in the game. She was always fun to talk to as well and people really enjoyed her. I think that + her competition ability made her a perfect contender to go at least final 6. For a weakness, I think she may have gotten too comfortable, thinking she was safe, because I know she was blindsided by her eviction.
Kevin (Threat Level: 4/10)
I admit, Kevin and I never really connected at all. He was somebody I was targeting from the second week. I don't know much about his game but I do know he was trying to create an alliance with Casey/Jace/Himself but other than that, he was always a question mark for me. That is mostly why I wanted him out of the game.
If there's any typos or misspellings in there, I apologize lol. Thanks for the question, Steve!
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Post by angie on Nov 22, 2015 20:50:51 GMT
Fun Fact: I legitimately sucked at competitions, but after awhile, I tried to implement my sucky-ness into strategy
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Post by Steve Moses on Nov 23, 2015 4:58:05 GMT
Thanks Nick! Good answers and I will wait with baited breath for what your contender has to say!
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Post by caleb on Nov 23, 2015 22:44:07 GMT
Hey Steve! Sorry about the lateness here. I had a really busy weekend. I knew my social game was going to be put into question. Its always the thing that holds me back in games. And early on, I saw you as someone that I could work with. I thought that I understood you, and understood how you would play the game. Unfortunately things didn't go that way, and we were never on the same page. I tend to distance myself from people like that for the most part. It didn't take long for me to know that I would be a target of yours, and many of the lines in the game were already drawn. So I do apologize that we didn't get to connect like I thought we could. But thats just the game!! Onto your question  Kevin and I were in an alliance.....of sorts. It was made my Day, and it was a mess. I knew I couldn't trust him based on some sketchiness that was so apparent. I saw him as a loose canon who would cause a ruckus in the game. So I wanted him out as soon as possible. The round Day left, Britney and I strongly considered an attempt at flipping things to get him out. Although it didn't take long to realize that doing so would cause WAY too much of a stir, based on how Day was acting. So its safe to say I thought he was a large threat. Not a threat to win, but a threat in an Abi sense. He's gonna do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. People like him make these games fun though, and he definitely made his mark on this season. Threat status - 6/10  Angie was one of the sweetest people I have ever met in these games. I nominated her, and she took it in stride. Things kept going the opposite way that she wanted, but she took it in stride. This was a reason I wanted to distance myself from her. I could tell she was aligning with the opposite side of the house, and I didn't want my viewpoint to be skewed based on the fact that I really did like her. She was the pawn extraordinaire, and thats not the type of person I like sticking around for too long. So she was a threat in the sense that she wasn't on my side. I could see her journey going 100% differently if we re did the entire season though. Her social game could be perfection. But there were just way too many things working against her in my opinion. Threat status - 6/10  In some aspects, the queen of this season!!! I think we all know my (and others) opinion on Brit. We bonded very quickly, and very easily. I so badly wanted it to be real, but one of the first things I said about her in my DR was that her social game was gold. I had a strong opinion, and I knew everyone else would to. The weirdest thing about her game was that she made you not want to betray her. I had SO many doubts for so long, but I never wanted to act on it. Cause what if she had seduced the person I went to even more than me?? Nick was the only one I voiced this to. Even when I told Jace that someone hardcore threw him under the bus, I wasn't able to tell him until we made our Coup. Players like Britney win these games. And I 100% commend her game play. I think she just got a bit carried away. The inactiveness of this game probably got to her. But if you put her in a series like RnF for example, she could easily get all the way to the end. Threat status - 8.5/10  I feel bad about how things went with Jason. We just couldn't connect, and I don't know who's fault it is. After reading these questions, it was probably mine. But communication is a two way street. I saw him as a threat because I knew he was on the other side. He is the type of player who sticks to his guns and really thinks things through. Everything he does is calculated, and he's not an easy guy to sway. You can chalk our relationship up to being on the other side of the house. I couldn't trust him, and I wanted him out asap. Threat status - 7/10  Casey  His end in this game was sudden and unexpected. We had a good relationship, and we were easily able to talk game and make moves. I was cool with riding close to the end with him. I wanted the F4 to include him instead of Victoria. But he bit the dust, and it wasn't fun. He is a very easy guy to talk to, can hold his own in comps, and could easily be a winner of this game. I was so happy we were able to get on the same page and cause the Coup, cause he was someone early on that I felt connected to, but things were working against us *cough*Britney*cough* Had the veto not been used that round, I definitely see him being a strong contender. Threat status - 8/10  Like I said above, early on I had such a strong opinion of you. I wanted to work with you, as you seemed like a similar player to myself. But as we know, we just couldn't seem to figure out how to connect. So this made you a target in my mind. You were also considered my main competition in....competitions. And you showed that when we tried to get you out. Like I said with Jason, I feel like you are a very calculated player, and you won't just make a decision for the sake of making a decision. Had I been around more, and had this been a more active game, I could easily see us working together. As boring as you may think I am, not everyone has the same opinion. So don't write off the idea of an alliance between us!! It was just the dynamics of the game that forced us very far apart. Threat status - 9/10  The amazing Renny! It is no secret that everyone loves Renny. I was close (ish) to her, and loved being able to make big moves with her. She also took things in stride, which makes her so easy to work with. When I nominated Casey, I toyed with the idea of nominating her. It was going to happen. But she convinced me not to. Thats when I saw how much of a threat she was. It wasn't just that she convinced me not to, its that she knew it was a good move for me. This made me know that if the opportunity came up, she would see how good of an idea it would be to get me out. So i needed to strike first. Our alliance had an expiry date, and I am glad I got her out first. Cause I 100% see her winning if I didn't do so. She was very strong in comps, and of course, everyone loved her. Huge huge threat. But I love her!! Threat status - 9/10  I likely have a VERY different opinion of Vic than anyone else. We connected strongly before she left, and I feel like I was the only person who could trust her when she came back. I knew what game she was playing on her return, and I was able to call her on her shit and control her. This is why I didn't get her out when everyone wanted me to. She was a threat to everyone except me. Her return also clouded peoples opinion as well I feel. She can be abrasive, but she can also play a phenomenal game. She's strong in comps, and she is very strategical. If this write up of her annoys people and loses me the game, than so be it. But strip away the abrasiveness, the "troll" like tendencies, and whatever else she did, and you have a strong player. She just saw how this game was turning out, and she wanted to have her version of fun. Which made her a huge threat to everyone.....but I saw a different side. So threat status is something that Im stretching my head with........ Threat status - 8/10  I said a decent amount of him already, but I see Jace as a very strong player. Early on, he knew EVERYTHING. I saw how strong his social game was right off the bat. And I also saw him as being a contender in competitions. His one set back though is how emotional he can be. But as I mentioned, this is what saved him in my eyes. If we had issues, I would hear about it. I would also hear his opinion on other people. So I wanted him to go very deep in this game with me. We can easily bro out and separate ourselves from the game as well. So I just had a lot of fun with him. I also saw him as a jury threat, which is why he is sitting with y'all right now. Everyone loves Jace, and he could also be a winner of this game had 1 or 2 things gone a different way. Threat status - 8.5/0 Thanks for your question Steve! Again, sorry you had to wait so long. Good luck with your decision! |
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Post by Steve Moses on Nov 24, 2015 1:48:08 GMT
Thanks Caleb! Just to clarify, I would never "not vote for someone" based on their opinion of someone else. I get the point about Victoria but I feel that was pre-first eviction. I saw her as a threat and a contender then. I didn't like how she acted when she came back. Like, at first she was cool, but the way she trolled Jason when he was leaving and just the rudeness and weird porno she sent me.. lol. Anyway, this isn't about Victoria but just felt the need to say that! 
Also, it may be too late to ask something else and, if so, that is fine, but I did have a quick question that just popped into my head late last night and I couldn't post until today. If you don't answer it, I won't hold it against either of you, if this is too far past the deadline or something.
My closest relationships were to Britney and Jason. I loved them both! .... but I also recognized what huge threats they both were and I don't know if I would've wanted to sit next to either at the end, to be honest. There's always that fine line between loyalty and actually trying to win the game, lol. So, did either of you feel similarly about each other? Did you ever consider not going to the end with each other? I guess I assume you were always a Final Two pair but, did the lines ever blur in your mind when you thought about if you could actually win against the other?
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Post by caleb on Nov 24, 2015 4:20:12 GMT
For me, early loyalty really goes a long way. When you click the same way I do with Nick, it makes it very hard to ever think about going against them. Had Nick been a massive threat, I'm sure the thought would have crossed my mind. But with the way this game went, I never saw him as someone that I didn't want to sit next to. I saw him as the perfect person for me to go up against. It shows who I am as an ally, and it shows my perception on the game. I felt confident going into this finale against him. And that in no way is a dig against his game.
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Post by Nick Uhas on Nov 24, 2015 7:12:31 GMT
My answer is very similar. I think it shows that I was loyal to the people that I really gave my word to, which was Caleb in the first week when we were put onto Team Jupiter together. I brought this up a bit in Casey's thread, I think we were a good pair because we were able to balance each other out. He was able to win competitions and I was able to integrate more socially, we filled in eachother's weak spots. And I think that is what gave us eyes on all fronts, gamewise. I feel confident in the game that I played and I feel confident sitting next to Caleb. May the best man win!
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Post by Steve Moses on Nov 24, 2015 23:00:38 GMT
Okay guys. Thanks for your answers. I think you are both very similar in a lot of ways and I was honestly hoping to hear something that made one of you stand out over the other. I think I'll be voting based on the thing that sets you two apart in my mind. Good luck!
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